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July 12, 2009

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Derek

I have heard rumors that Sweden is the freest nation on Earth, but then again they just allowed the Pirate Bay to be taken to court... so who knows. I think regardless of what outside factors are pressing down on individuals and preventing their desired freedom is completely subjective. You are free to do whatever you want, you just have to suffer the concequences of doing something others (i.e. government, society, etc) find offensive or impeding on their personal freedoms. Peter Sutcliffe felt he was free to go about killing women, and nothing stopped him for a while. So thats a roundabout way of saying coercion from your mind if stronger than government, or maybe governments create that... this topic could go on all day.

Nick Pinkston

Yea, Sweden is probably high in some areas like social freedom, but I bet in economics and property rights they're not as good. I know Hong Kong and Singapore are always on top of the economic freedom indexes - not sure about human rights. New Zealand and Ireland are up there for both I believe. I really need to travel more.

I don't think it's useful to say "you're free to do what you want, but face the consequences" this isn't "free". No one can stop our free will for any instant, but in the long term they definitely can. I can kill someone, but soon they'll find me and put me in prison where I'm not free to do much of anything.

I don't see how this is relating to mind-based freedom > than gov't-based. In both cases your mind is used, yes, but in the later the consequences aren't self-imposed.

Derek

No I agree, my comment was a little off your topic. I agree with your post. It just made me think about people who, despite the consequences, do whatever they want. As apposed to people who know and fear the consequences, and so would never go beyond the laws even if they are imposing on free-will.

Roscoe Jenkins

It seems that we're just working towards getting the most done. Humanity must submit to some order in order to grow itself as a species. Liberty restrictions aren't so much governmental force as self imposed limits to keep things under control.
Metaphysically, we're "free" to do whatever we wish, we've all just decided that there are certain things we should keep ourselves from doing, like indulging in bestiality. We place social restrictions on individual actions. And since some cow-fuckers can't control themselves, the royal We felt the need to set up agencies that could punish (or isolate) unwanted behavior.
One would hope that we're shooting for the maximum potential in both individual and social liberties, but getting to stasis will take trial and error and time and a lack of corruption on either side.

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